As a parent of a large family, I often get the same questions over and over and other large family managers have shared this experience with us. Some of them came up with very witty answers, although some of them are a little too snide for my comfort level. But it can be fun to fantasize about using them :-) So here is the first Official Large Families FAQ wih Come Backs. Feel free to distribute it, as long as you keep the copy right notice on the bottom intact.
One more remark, I find that often people just are genuinely surprised or say things in a nice way. I don't mind that at all and will happily nod again to the fourth one in 10 minutes who tells me that I have my hands full. Even if it does get tiresome after a while :-) But other questions, like the 'are you going to get fixed?' questions, I regard as downright mean and I don't feel compelled to be nice to people who ask that!
I would like to thank all the people who contributed to this FAQ, it has been fun to read your remarks and hear about your experiences.
Now a more serious section, with serious answers. Let me know if you want to contribute your own personal answer to those.
It wasn't a decision for us to have a large family. Hubby had 3 when we met, I wasn't supposed to be able to have any children. But God decided to bless our lives....first with Tony then Roo & now I'm pregnant & due in Nov. But if after living with a large houseful I had the choice, yes, I would do it again. I love having the organized & not so organized chaos & the crazy things that happen in every day life ten times as much because of the # of people in the house. I love the whole nutty, chaotic, loving lot of it!!! (bamachic)
It wasn`t much of a decision for us either. That is just what go had planned for us, of course sometimes I really believe he is up there laughing at us.(LOL) (ellentracy)
We never "decided" it is something that has evolved over the years. (cbrouse23)
Us too there was a time when #1might have been an only child but after each the longing for another came. (totsrus)
Not our decision either. Birth control only managed to spread them 2 years apart. (7webbers)
We never made a certain decision, it just sort of happened, LOL We love it! (kidznus1)
I am #4 of 13 and I loved every minute of growing up surrounded
by siblings. There was always someone to talk to, someone to play with,
someone to confide in, someone to depend on, etc. My husband is the youngest of
14.
Before we were married we never discussed how many kids we were going to have.
I guess I just assumed I would get the 12 or 14 I want.
I love to hold babies, cuddle with little ones, embarass my older ones by
hugging them, etc. Each of my children are a blessing from God. He may only
loan them
to me for a few years or as many as 18 years - His will be done.
My children are also a blessing to each other. They are companions so they are
not lonely; they are helpmates when a little one needs a drink, a hug when
hurt, a
lesson in bike riding; they help to make up a basketball team; the list is
endless. I could fill pages and pages with the awesomeness of having my
children.
(motherof11)
DH always wanted a large family, I always said, We'll see... but God decided For us! Wouldn't trade it for anything! (jgonz)
I am not sure if we did decide to have a big family. Our blessings are 21 and down. But in the last 2 years we have been convicted to let God control the size of our family. We are expecting #8 and we are excited to see what He has planned for us~ and at 40 a little nervous too. (happymomof8)
Both Dh and I always knew, from childhood that we would. We also both knew it would be a mix of birth and adopted kids, and it is. I do feel that Michael is our last. I'm no Spring chicken and his night feedings have really gotten to me! But never say never LOL. (6kidsnow)
We never made a concious decision to have a large family..( It just sort of happened over the years. LOL But, seriously, we both have problems with using the different methods of birth control. So, we are just careful and pray about it. It seems to be working, our twins are 2 1/2 and Im not pg. LOL We havent decided when or if we will have anymore yet. I just know that I am not ready to make it permanent and Im not sure that I ever will be. (kidznus1)
I was the only for 9 years until the 1 brother came along. I always envied my cousins, 6 kids in 7 1/2 yrs!! We also believe in Almighty God and know that he has a plan for us. We leave it up to him and NFP (kclfarm)
I'm the youngest of 6.I love all the noise! (dimjo)
Me and DH have always been family-oriented. When we were dating we talked about family size and came up with this. One-not enough, two-too much sibling rivalry, three-odd one out in the middle. So, we said at least four. We decided we would adopt if need be. We have been very blessed! mplschic
We always did...at our wedding rec. I said I wanted 4 boys and a girl...got the oposite! We really like having a larger family and never really desided on how many we would have. We have four girls with a boy due in Oct. but I don't know if this will be it or not. (akmomto5)
Large family, I don't have a large family, I only have 11... (vlnm)
I always wanted lots of children, always loved babies and it was not surprise to anyone that knew me because if I was anywhere near a baby, I was asking to hold it. Dh knew from the beginning that if he wanted to marry me, he had to be willing to have a large family, and thank goodness, he wanted the same thing. (fetcher)
I didn't really know how many, but thought four would be nice. And then when I had 3 and so close together, I thought okay 3 is enough. So hubby went in and got a vasectomy and well, I got my wish and 9 months later got my fourth baby. LOL So I am blessed 3 boys and 1 girl. 7 almost 8 and down to 2. I was one of 4 so I like that number, hubby was 1 of 9 so he thought 3. (wobbles1)
I never actually started out thinking I would have a large family...... but lo and behold here we are with 5. We had planned on stoppping after 3. We had 3 boys and just weren't going to try for the girl and it didn't matter. Then a couple of tragedies in my life and a lot of stress and surprise I was pregnant. (The surprise being I was on the pill). We had just made a consience decision to have no more and nine months later there was number 4.....a little girl to boot. A wonderful surprise. 5 months after the wonderful surprise I had my tubes tied. no more for me, so I thought. 18 months later I got the surprise of my life. Even after "knowing what causes it" and doing something about it I found myself pregnant again...Emily was born 10 days late and is an awsome addition to our family. Although we still don't have a vehicle big enough to carry all of us (legally) I love haveing a large family and wouldn't change any of our wonderful surprises for the world. (teel)
"Although we still don't have a vehicle big enough to carry all of us (legally) I love haveing a large family and wouldn't change any of our wonderful surprises for the world." Actually, this whole post sounds just like me! I had 3 boys, no way was I trying for a 4th, (infact the only "planned pregnancy" of them all is #2), and then just as we were getting to close on the new house and just after we traded in the big mini-van because we wanted 2 smaller cars instead of 1 big one, I found out I was pregnant! So we had to find a different house and are still having to build an addition anyways and we are upside down on the cars so we can't trade them in yet but they only seat 5 each so we can never go anywhere in 1 car. I tell people that we drive the original caravan, 2 cars in a row, that's a caravan! But it was my precious baby girl that I was pregnant with and after the shock wore off, I was delighted! The only thing that bothers me about your post is that I too had my tubes tied after my daughter was born and I too believe that I'm "done". To be quite honest, you've scared me! Maybe we should put an addition on the addition. : ) Ah well, God is good and I'm sure that if he chooses to bless us with another little one he'll be sure to include a straight jacket too, for me. Just kidding of course, I love my kids, we have a great time together and I wouldn't trade a single one of them. Afterall, this is the job I always dreamed of. (xccow2)
I come from a family of 1 girl/1boy and always wanted lots of kids. I knew my job in life was to be a mommy!! (sevenin97)
Because the Dr. kept saying, "It's positive Kris!" I didn't 'plan' on any kids to be perfectly honest. The first was kinda a surprise and the second and third were conceived while I was on birth control! After that I kinda decided I liked them tried for the last three. (kris638199)
My first three were 'accidents' too in that I didn't plan on getting pregnant when I did. #2 was conceived on the pill, and I didn't know I was pregnant for two months! We jokingly say we had to have #4 to prove we could actually plan one! (ckarmom)
Seriously... when I was younger I never wanted to have kids. Then as I grew older, I thought WOW..that would be kind of fun. So...when I got married I had said to my (then) husband that I wanted at least 4. I only have 1 brother and that was always hard growing up because he was always MEAN to me and I always wanted a sister. My ex comes from a family of 15 and they are close. Once I had my first, I said I would not raise her alone..and 4 I GOT...3 girls 1 boy. That is my story!! (jerikay61)
Dh & I started out wanting 5 and found we love our kids so much and they give so much love the number keeps going up (midawhar)
We've left it up to God and accepted the children for what they are, blessings from God! (Kmomof9 )
I come from a family of 1girl, 1 boy, and my brother and I always wanted more siblings to play with. (ckarmom)
Lots & Lots of Love, you have to have alot of love to give because that is
where I think my patience comes from.
If I didn't love my job (mom) I couldn't be a decent mom. I'm
not the best by any means , I screw up more than my share but then I learn from
my screw ups (sometimes!!)
& move on to the next phase of life. Prayer plays a
big part of my sanity as does this board. It means alot to have people that are
in my life that understand my
goals for parenting even if their goals vary from mine,
all of you always atleast TRY to understand, unfortunately we can't always say
that for our real world friends & families.
I guess for me it just takes alot of mistakes & being willing to learn from
them, & admitting to your family....
"hey, I messed up, forgive me?" then move on. Hope I didn't bore ya!!
(bamachic)
I DON`T KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One day at a time, one skinned knee at a time,etc. (ellentracy)
My husband's favorite saying: God takes care of fools and children (which covers our whole family!) (7webbers)
What's to do? I have a lot less work to do than the family with only
one or two kids. I don't have to entertain my children, they entertain each
other.
I don't have to jump every time one of my kids needs a drink or a cookie, they
have an older (sometimes even younger) sibling to do that. I don't have to do
homework with my kids, they have each other as tutors.
Of course, I am the "Supervisor," "Judge," or "Referee" which ever you want to
call me.
I work full-time and my husband has been a househusband for the past 16 years.
(I have to confess I would trade places with him in a New York minute. If only
he were willing.)
Once again, I could talk your ear off about this subject.
(motherof11)
I don't know...but it works! (jgonz)
Only through the grace of God. And I do have a lot of helpers! it is just getting them to help sometimes~ (happymomof8)
Don't ask me.......We're still trying to figure that one out still LOL (sparen)
1. The Lord's help and strength 2. Because we love our kids (luv5kids)
1. Because I love it! 2. I wouldn't feel our family was complete w/ just 2 or 3. (6kidsnow)
With a strong faith in God, knowing that he'll always provide if we believe in Him. (kclfarm)
On a wing and a prayer...and about $600 amonth for groceries. (teel)
I do it because I WANT to do it and LOVE to do it! (fetcher)
Very organized, follow routines and reduce clutter. (tead)
Take One Day At A Time...It All Has To Be Done..plus LOVE (jerikay61)
Lots of love, patience, cooperation and communication (midawhar)
With lots of prayer and patience, and realizing that kids are more important than a spotless house, trendy clothes, new cars, and carribean vacations. Children are on loan to us from God, and it is our job to bring them up in a way pleasing to Him. They are my most valuable possession. (ckarmom)
I don't even know......hehe. You have to scrimp on some things but that is not to say that the kids miss anything. My hubby is military so of course, we live frugally.(yes all you civilians.......we are underpaid!!) We buy what is on sale, make what we can't buy & when in the USA grow the rest. Coupons are my friend & so are clearance sales, I start shoppping for Christmas the day after Christmas...etc. (bamachic )
Buy in bulk and hand-me downs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (ellentracy)
Bulk food, sewing, gardening, hand-me-downs, mostly being careful about needs vs. wants. Everyone gets a few things just for fun, but not every time we go out and usually inexpensive treats. (7webbers)
"I" don't buy brand name clothes. If my kids want them, they
save their money and buy them. My oldest kids are the worst about name brand
buying of Nike,
Jordasche, etc. I accept hand me downs from people at work all
the time (the clothes are usually like new, since the people
giving them to me only have 1 or 2 kids).
I buy food in bulk - a can of ketsup, 25 lbs. of powdered sugar, anything that
is a bargain.
When something is on sale I stock up. I've had as many as 25 boxes of
cereal at one time (I don't pay more than $1.50 for a box of cereal). I use a
lot of coupons.
I freeze flour, oatmeal, crackers, bread and much more when it's on
sale. I have enough food in my house to last three to four months.
I never pay full price for shampoo, bar soap, dish soap, laundry detergent and
other staples.
I use a coupon when these items are on sale.
We have never been without. God provides very well for my family. I'm sorry to
admit I forget to thank Him each and every day for all my blessings.
(motherof11)
It is true~ God will supply ALL of your needs! I have worked less and less with each child and now am just teaching Childbirth Classes. When we had 2 I was working 32 hours a week and we thought we were struggling! GOD provides! (happymomof8)
Buy in bulk, shop 2nd hand, live out in the country in a cheap house and do without a lot of things. I think you spend what you have and I'm happy about how I'm spending my money. After living as students with kids I feel like we have lots of money. We have enough to eat, roof over our heads, clothes on our backs and great medical care plus lots of extras. (mabear7)
Making home and family more important than things! I could double our income if I went to work tomorrow, NO WAY. No one else is raising my children. Also, I really don't need fancy homes, cars, furniture or clothes. We camp for our vacation and love it. I buy kids clothes at Thrift stores, (it's great when value village has 1/2 off day), consignment shops etc. They don't look like orphans in fact they wear alot of Osh Kosh, GAP and Gymboree. The difference is that I didn't go into debt to buy them. Our house is perfect for us and our mortgage is very affordable. All our cars are paid for and none of us is very materialistic. (6kidsnow)
Knowing the difference between "wants" and "needs"! Also, believing that God, our children, families and friends are the true "riches" of this earth. (kclfarm)
You always just seem to be able to afford it. (teel)
Garage sales,thrift stores and never turn down a hand-me-down. (mplschic)
My Aunt Always Told Me That if you wait until you 'can afford kids' you will never have any. Kind of tend to believe her!!! Can you ever REALLY afford them...they are always in need (or want) of something aren't they? (jerikay61)
Coupons, clearance sales, thrift shops, previously owned cars. (dimjo)
By deciding what's really important. Things are not as important as our children. (fetcher)
Whats one more mouth to feed (vlnm)
It doesn't matter how many kids you have, you spend whatever you make, so you may as well spend it on many. (cbrouse23)
defining wants vs needs, wise comparison shopping, new is not necessarily
better..... Almost all our foods are generic brands or from grocery outlet
stores. Never pay full price for anything, wait for a good sale. Thrift
clothes and hand-me-downs can be great! Doesn't have to be brand new
(furniture, car, house, etc) just clean and orderly. Enjoy
inexpensive family times (rent videos, hiking, camping, ball games, park,
etc.). Splurge occasionally together. Save up for big items,
have whole family work on saving up for an item. Limit gift giving expenses
(there are very creative things to do for gifts that don't cost
a lot).
Create a budget as a family and live within that budget (not my strong point
here!!). Teach your children to shop wisely also and about
budgeting. Even my teenage daughter has learned she can find good finds at the
local thrift shop when it comes to clothing. We don't
make our children feel like "we can't afford that" but that we need to budget
it in and work towards it. Can we find it a better deal
elsehwere? Do we really need that item? Is it of good quality and is it a good
investment to purchase it? It makes them more grateful
for what they have.
Most importantly, define your NEEDS versus your WANTS. When in a pinch
financially, we were shocked at how little we actually
could live on when we got rid of wants (phone extensions, newspapers, cable tv,
clubs, subscriptions, etc) and streamlined to only
needs (food, clothing, and shelter come first, then other needs).
(sevenin79)
Because I do't care that my furniture comes from Walmart and not Ethan Allen... I don't care about eating in fancy restaurants or going to Hawaii every year. Because my kids look just as good in hand-me-downs and clothes from the thrift store and because I am rich in LOVE. (tead)
I had to comment about the furniture not coming from Ethan Allan. Recently I needed MORE dressers, 3 more to be exact. Now we are christians and so I prayed about it since I could not figure out how we would ever get 3 dressers. With in a week we found 2 and a friend (mom of 5) called up and said that she had an extra! The 1 was perfect for my new baby girl w/ Daisy shaped drawer pulls and carved spirals on the side. 2 needed to be painted, I just finished painting the 1 and for my 5 dollar investment in paint a have an ADORABLE dresser! I painted the dresser blue, the drawers green, 3 handles yellow and 3 handles red. My friend (mom of 1) came over yesterday and was astounded at the sight of this dresser! It LOOKS like an Ethan Allan. Those are the best pieces of furniture of all, not the ones that you look at and wonder if you're ever going to pay it off before the kiddos destroy it. I'm also just about done reupholstering my couch. I saved $700.00! (xccow2)
Also prioritizing, but also not insisting that everything be new, not requiring that play clothes be "name brand" classy outfits (we save those for outings and church--and they usually come from a garage sale, store sale, thrift shop, or bag given to us). When we do buy something new we make sure it is made to last (4 boys-can hand everything down) and "classic" that is not dated by the picture on the outfit or style. We drive old cars, do simple things for fun, rent movies instead of going to the theater (tho occasionally we see a movie in the theater as a treat), camp instead of staying in fancy hotels, eat simply but healthy, don't worry if our furniture doesn't match as long as it's clean and neat, etc., etc., etc. (oh yea, we don't go out and buy all the latest toys either--and yes, our kids are HAPPY!!) (4boysrus)
By prioritizing. We look at every 'want' very closely to determine if it is a necessary thing that will improve our lives, or if it is more like something that will take up time and money that could better be spent somewhere else. Learning to be a wise consumer. the 'best' brands aren't necessarily the most durable, and you can find used clothing in new-like condition for a fraction of the cost. Also most brand name foods have a generic equivalent. What is time-saving in the way of foods isn't always the most nutritious or economical. (ckarmom)
Here in Canada we don't seem to have an "overpopulation" issue, Quebec offers families $ to have more & more children, the more you have the more $ you get, because their population has been decreasing over the years. We know that China, India and lots of 3rd world countries have overpopulation issues, but as the "boomers" age and our populations decrease who will pay the premiums for old-age pensions, insurance $ etc.? (think of a reverse pyramid) (cbrouse23)
If Americans diverted their resource consumption into food and fiber production we could feed and clothe the world all by ourselves. I am much more concerned about our wasteful habits than I am about our ability to provide necessities for our children. (bamachic)
We are fortunate in the U.S. - we are blessed with many natural resources
can produce just about everything we need in this country! We have wonderful,
fertile soil for growing crops, raising cattle, water, textiles, etc. It's too
bad that in
order to keep artificial price control (fixes) on grains, milk, etc., alot of
farmers are penalized for producing to capacity - alot of fruit gets thrown
into huge piles to
rot, milk is poured down drains. There are many organizations that feed the
poor that could use all this surplus. We need to allocate the abundance better.
Overpopulation as a reason to have a smaller family? As someone posted earlier
(archived post) - the percentage of U.S. families having a larger family
(defined
in the stats as families with 4 + children), is only 6.1%. The biggest and
fastest growing group at 41 or 42% are families with just one child. Let the
figures speak
for themselves. Just my thoughts.
(ohiomom6)
I have a sister with none by choice and 2 SIL that are infertile so when you average my 7 between 4...average!! (kristysmum)
I'm sorry, but you are misinformed. There is no such thing
as overpopulation in this day and age. Numerous countries have zero or a
negative population growth. (For statistics, please contact the National Right
to Life
Association.) In the United States alone, one out of every four babies die
because their mothers kill them in the womb.
Don't think there's enough food or land? The United States throws away tons of
food each year. Millions of acres of land worldwide is unpopulated.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I believe God is doing a fine job of controlling
the world's population. I don't need to worry about that. Every year He has
floods,
hurricanes, tornadoes, volcanos, (need I go on?).
Too bad there are so many people trying to play God. I believe he is doing an
awesome job.
(motherof11)
I agree. Sometimes we try to play God, but it never works. The longer I live, the more I am learning that God is the one in control! Also, you are right about the waste of the overabundance of our food production, etc. So much of it is thrown out in order to artifically fix prices. It is really an injustice when the "experts" claim overpopulation. I know that's not the case in North America, and some other countries. (ohiomom6)
There are definitely not enough loving, kind, considerate people who want to make a difference. (luv5kids)
What about over consumption by the wealthy and greedy? (6kidsnow)
I was confronted in a grocery store by a woman once who literally attacked me. and was saying how none should have that many children, etc. I somehow remained calm and just said "I hope someday when these children are the doctors and nurses caring for you in your old age or the bankers taking care of your loan or the cooks making your meal that they don't remember that you are the person who didn't think they should have ever been born." Then I walked away with all 5 children in tow. (fetcher)
Overpopulation is a myth and an excuse to have more things and less children!! Our Priest speaks often about the myth of overpopulation. Most countries are actually experiencing a decline in population, couples are not producing enough children to replace themselves when they die. The US is becoming an "elderly" nation, who's going to take care of them?? I loved the response to the ignorant woman on why we have so many children: they will become the next doctors, nurses, cooks, etc. She'd better pray her response didn't leave the door open for people to ignore her in her time of need!! (kclfarm)
In Australia we have a declining population...I did my bit,its those other slackers!!! (kristysmum) Colleen
I have really great kids, the more the better for this world... (vlnm)
I'm simply having your share and that of those that choose not to have any either. (almost6)
With more people having small families or no children at all, and the largest part of our population (the baby boomers) reaching senior citizen status and dying off (sorry to sound so blunt), the few large families that exist are not overpopulating the earth. Can't even say for sure that we're holding the population steady! (ckarmom)
I just got a brochure from hslda that did a study on homeschoolers compared to grade school and one of them was classified by size of families. According to their chart its true, only 6.1% of families nationwide have 4 or more children. I was really shocked by that. It also shows that the largest amount of families (40.8% )have only ONE child. Our country has made it such a shame to have a large family today that its disgusting to me. I have a cousin who is expecting her first child in August. I asked her how many she planned on having and she said only two, because people shouldnt have more than that. I said why, and she said because it just isnt normal..Normal?? This blew my mind. She also informed me that 6 is already too many and that we will never have anymore. Im thinking..ok..this is just too much. I am very extremely grateful that I found this board, it has been a great source of inspiration for me! (kidznus1)
We have 5 kids and we think there will be one more for us, so we don't know we are done yet. (cbrouse23)
hhhmmmmmm....... We don't know if we're done. Physically I probably won't get pregnant again. I was never supposed to be able to & these 3 prenancies have taken there toll (however worthy!!) But God may chose to bring us a child or children in another way, it's not for me to say. I would love to have 10 more children!! But it's not my choice, who knows what tomorrow will bring? (bamachic)
Youngest is 2 weeks old, so we don't know for sure (7webbers)
Well, I don't think we're done yet, so I can't really answer this one! (jgonz)
When my hubby had the big V - we are blessed with 9 healthy children though. (kristi9)
We are expecting #8 in Oct and I hope we aren't done yet! But it is in God's hands! (happymomof8)
Think I'm done, but if social services asked,it'd be hard to turn down another one. (luv5kids)
Well I think I'm done, I'm really tired LOL. Who knows I might take 1 or 2 more! (6kidsnow)
STILL DON'T KNOW!! Keep thinking a special feeling will come over me and tell me I'm done LOL (kclfarm)
When dh gets FIXED!!! :o) (dimjo)
When they started coming more than one at a time! (kris638199)
Done? I guess when I have a bakers dozen (vlnm)
I guess I just knew.... but it took me about 14 months after my 4th child was born, but then again he was a surprise. But I felt after he was born, do I try for a little girl for my daughter so she would have a sister. But you know as the months went by and I had turned 30, I started to add it all up in my head and my hubby is 5 1/2 years older than me, I realized I was done. It was just a feeling. I want to concentrate on the 4 I have and be healthy for a long time for them. (wobbles1)
When the twins came, I said NO MORE!! but seriously, I always wondered when I'd know and was getting quite worried when pregnant after #5 (would I ever stop?!?). But then, I JUST KNEW. It was a feeling I got that just told me this was it. And I was satisfied and comfortable with that. (sevenin97)
When I FINALLY Had A Boy!!! After 3 girls we finally had a boy. I had to have an emergency C-Section so I told my doctor to do a tubal. Well, 4 yrs later we got divorced and guess what....I WANT ANOTHER BABY... with my bf!! I know they do reversals but 2 yrs ago I had to have a hysterectomy so it is out of the ???. Oh well, I am HAPPY with the 4 I have..they are GREAT kids. (jerikay61)
"When I FINALLY Had A GIRL!!!(m)" Sorry,couldnt resist!Actually my dh had a vasectomy while I was pregnant with #7 and we didnt know it was a girl after 6 boys until the birth.He had it done because he was sure I would have another 7!(Probably would have,too) (kristysmum)
Don't know - I let you know when it happens :o) (midawhar)
As a child, I wanted to have two boys and two girls when my first two children were born, I told people we would have more. When I had two boys and 1 girl, I felt there was still someone missing from our dinner table. When the fourth child born was a girl, I felt our family was now complete. I believe that God put that vision of 2boys/2girls in my heart, and that he blessed me with fulfilling that vision. (ckarmom)
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